Original thread here: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=30146
I did not get a chance to respond to Mapmaker's final post, which is filled with lies about my posts in the thread. After more BS, he decided to ask the mod. to close the thread. Grossly unfair to me to not have an opportunity to respond.
Mapmaker's comments that refer to my post are in bold, my post is in italics:
Re: Gimbal Breaking By Design?
Postby MapMaker53 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:20 pm
Jstic wrote:
LOL, it was you who started the thread and has spent far more energy bashing DJI with false and unsubstantiated rumors, one of which has been disproved already. Do you work for Walkera or another DJI competitor?
Let me be blunt here because obviously you don't live in the real world. As far as your claim that DJI is calling a gimbal bracket maker and telling him/her to stop selling them, that is total ******** until you can prove it. It is an unsubstantiated rumor that you have chosen to spread, because you are admittedly pissed off at DJI. If you can't prove it, it didn't happen. Even if DJI did make contact with a gimbal bracket maker, which I doubt, there is probably a lot more to it than what you are posting. I would think the gimbal bracket maker would be only too eager to publicize this alleged contact with DJI, it would prove that his bracket is necessary and that DJI recognizes that, increase publicity for him and increase sales. Your conspiracy theory about DJI holding back on parts to drive up profits was debunked yesterday when DJI began offering the cables at a substantial discount below aftermarket cables. Now you want us to believe another rumor.
You don't understand the physics or mechanics of the gimbal separation problem, so you see the gimbal bracket as a fix, which it is not. It is a band-aid for the problem, addressing the symptom and not the cause. As I said earlier, the only thing these brackets to is, in some cases, stop the total separation of the rear motor and shaft and the tearing of the cable, which now can be bought for $25. THEY DO NOT PREVENT A REPAIR BILL. Gimbal bracket or not, repeated or sharp lateral force will cause the shaft to loosen in the housing. The gimbal then has to be taken apart and repaired properly. I have yet to see a gimbal bracket maker claim that his bracket prevents the shaft/motor loosening problem. I'm not suggesting anyone remove their gimbal bracket, or stop buying them, I am simply stating the facts. But to infer that DJI should incorporate this into a redesign of their camera/gimbal, or are not doing that deliberately is just ridiculous. To go even further and speculate that they designed their gimbal to fail (look at the title of this thread) is worse. If they are going to spend time and money on an expensive redesign, they would probably address the cause of the problem.
Now I have to go because I have a date with 3 french models. I can't tell you their names, but trust me, I'm an honorable guy like you claim to be and would never start a false rumor.
Remember, "they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. I heard that on the internet." :roll:
Well thaaaank goodness. I can remove my gimbal bracket now that someone who claims Apple never reduces their prices has told me that the gimbal won't prevent a repair bill -- right after also claiming that it is far too difficult for anyone to replace the ribbon themselves. You change your argument whichever way suits you. See, again.. All that energy and anger defending DJI. It's a little over the top, don't you think? I'm just reporting what I was told and you can make fun of me being an honest person if you like, but it doesn't change what I was told. I can't report here something a seller told me just because you demand I tell you who the seller is? I'm really trying to take the high road here and refrain from using terms like "forum police wannabee" but you're really making that difficult. It's simple.. believe me or don't believe me. I don't care which you choose. It doesn't change what I was told. Like I said, if DJI wants to find out who in their organization is pressuring this seller not to sell the bracket, I'll be happy to get them in touch with him. Am I an advocate for using a gimbal bracket "bandaid"? Hell ya. Am I promoting any particular one here? No. I have not mentioned a brand in this thread nor will I. I even received a PM inquiry yesterday from a member of the forum asking which bracket was the one I was referring to because he wanted to protect his gimbal. I simply gave him the three types/websites that I know of in no particular order and told him each one probably works as well as the other. Might be hard for some people to believe, but I was raised to be an honest person. It's too bad the whole world isn't that way.
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My response:
Lie # 1. Not anywhere in the thread do I even mention Apple or their prices, those comments were made by another poster.
Lie # 2. No where did I say that it is far too difficult for anyone to replace the ribbon cable themselves, My exact quote was "Some are able to do it, it is not impossible, but many fail IMHO."
Lie # 3. No where in the thread did I change my argument in any way shape or form.
Aside from these outright falsehoods, Mapmaker fails to recognize or even admit that he was DEAD WRONG about the ribbon cable conspiracy where he alleges DJI is holding back selling the part to increase profits. That BS was totally debunked when they became available to dealers for retail sale within a few days of this post.
He also continues to spread unsubstantiated and probably false rumors about DJI contacting a bracket maker. Anyone with any sense of reason would realize what a total PR disaster it would be for DJJI to contact an aftermarket part maker and pressure or ask them to stop selling their part. Aside from the fact that there is not one shred of proof, this type behavior is irresponsible. Putting false words in forum member's mouths, and starting unsubstantiated and BS rumors are not the behavior of someone who claims to be "an honset person". If you are going to post FALSE information, or speculation and unproven rumors in a thread, be prepared to deal with the fallout.
I did not get a chance to respond to Mapmaker's final post, which is filled with lies about my posts in the thread. After more BS, he decided to ask the mod. to close the thread. Grossly unfair to me to not have an opportunity to respond.
Mapmaker's comments that refer to my post are in bold, my post is in italics:
Re: Gimbal Breaking By Design?
Postby MapMaker53 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:20 pm
Jstic wrote:
LOL, it was you who started the thread and has spent far more energy bashing DJI with false and unsubstantiated rumors, one of which has been disproved already. Do you work for Walkera or another DJI competitor?
Let me be blunt here because obviously you don't live in the real world. As far as your claim that DJI is calling a gimbal bracket maker and telling him/her to stop selling them, that is total ******** until you can prove it. It is an unsubstantiated rumor that you have chosen to spread, because you are admittedly pissed off at DJI. If you can't prove it, it didn't happen. Even if DJI did make contact with a gimbal bracket maker, which I doubt, there is probably a lot more to it than what you are posting. I would think the gimbal bracket maker would be only too eager to publicize this alleged contact with DJI, it would prove that his bracket is necessary and that DJI recognizes that, increase publicity for him and increase sales. Your conspiracy theory about DJI holding back on parts to drive up profits was debunked yesterday when DJI began offering the cables at a substantial discount below aftermarket cables. Now you want us to believe another rumor.
You don't understand the physics or mechanics of the gimbal separation problem, so you see the gimbal bracket as a fix, which it is not. It is a band-aid for the problem, addressing the symptom and not the cause. As I said earlier, the only thing these brackets to is, in some cases, stop the total separation of the rear motor and shaft and the tearing of the cable, which now can be bought for $25. THEY DO NOT PREVENT A REPAIR BILL. Gimbal bracket or not, repeated or sharp lateral force will cause the shaft to loosen in the housing. The gimbal then has to be taken apart and repaired properly. I have yet to see a gimbal bracket maker claim that his bracket prevents the shaft/motor loosening problem. I'm not suggesting anyone remove their gimbal bracket, or stop buying them, I am simply stating the facts. But to infer that DJI should incorporate this into a redesign of their camera/gimbal, or are not doing that deliberately is just ridiculous. To go even further and speculate that they designed their gimbal to fail (look at the title of this thread) is worse. If they are going to spend time and money on an expensive redesign, they would probably address the cause of the problem.
Now I have to go because I have a date with 3 french models. I can't tell you their names, but trust me, I'm an honorable guy like you claim to be and would never start a false rumor.
Remember, "they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. I heard that on the internet." :roll:Well thaaaank goodness. I can remove my gimbal bracket now that someone who claims Apple never reduces their prices has told me that the gimbal won't prevent a repair bill -- right after also claiming that it is far too difficult for anyone to replace the ribbon themselves. You change your argument whichever way suits you. See, again.. All that energy and anger defending DJI. It's a little over the top, don't you think? I'm just reporting what I was told and you can make fun of me being an honest person if you like, but it doesn't change what I was told. I can't report here something a seller told me just because you demand I tell you who the seller is? I'm really trying to take the high road here and refrain from using terms like "forum police wannabee" but you're really making that difficult. It's simple.. believe me or don't believe me. I don't care which you choose. It doesn't change what I was told. Like I said, if DJI wants to find out who in their organization is pressuring this seller not to sell the bracket, I'll be happy to get them in touch with him. Am I an advocate for using a gimbal bracket "bandaid"? Hell ya. Am I promoting any particular one here? No. I have not mentioned a brand in this thread nor will I. I even received a PM inquiry yesterday from a member of the forum asking which bracket was the one I was referring to because he wanted to protect his gimbal. I simply gave him the three types/websites that I know of in no particular order and told him each one probably works as well as the other. Might be hard for some people to believe, but I was raised to be an honest person. It's too bad the whole world isn't that way.
END OF POST
My response:
Lie # 1. Not anywhere in the thread do I even mention Apple or their prices, those comments were made by another poster.
Lie # 2. No where did I say that it is far too difficult for anyone to replace the ribbon cable themselves, My exact quote was "Some are able to do it, it is not impossible, but many fail IMHO."
Lie # 3. No where in the thread did I change my argument in any way shape or form.
Aside from these outright falsehoods, Mapmaker fails to recognize or even admit that he was DEAD WRONG about the ribbon cable conspiracy where he alleges DJI is holding back selling the part to increase profits. That BS was totally debunked when they became available to dealers for retail sale within a few days of this post.
He also continues to spread unsubstantiated and probably false rumors about DJI contacting a bracket maker. Anyone with any sense of reason would realize what a total PR disaster it would be for DJJI to contact an aftermarket part maker and pressure or ask them to stop selling their part. Aside from the fact that there is not one shred of proof, this type behavior is irresponsible. Putting false words in forum member's mouths, and starting unsubstantiated and BS rumors are not the behavior of someone who claims to be "an honset person". If you are going to post FALSE information, or speculation and unproven rumors in a thread, be prepared to deal with the fallout.
