Beta Testers requested to fix Compass Issue

[Xrover]

40 minutes of flight time?

 

[d4ddyo]

It's a hobby product, get over yourself.

I have 3 grand worth of receipts and and bookings on hold that says that this is more than a hobby. I invested in this system as a means to help earn a living, it's another bit of gear in my kit that I use to do my job.

I suppose the carpenter who spends 10 grand on a bunch of woodworking tools that don't work should just get over himself rather than complaining to DeWalt in hopes of a fix, because being able to build a birdhouse with it makes it a hobby?

May all your children be born naked. *HEX*HEX*

The Phantom is in fact a hobby machine. If you are going to make a professional living at it I suggest you move up to a professional machine that will do what you need with ease. These days you can get birds with great payload capacity and 40 minutes of flight time. In other words, don't enter the Indy 500 in an escort, use an Indy car for better results.

That is debatable. The phantom is a rtf intro to the hobby but is geared towards the consumer market. For what it's worth it does a pretty good job considering. By the time you modify it enough you already spent $1500 + and hit a ceiling for upgrades. It is marketed towards the general public vs hobbyists and with its flight control system is the reason why we all of a sudden have up and coming drone legislation.

Just because you spent a lot of money and use the phantom for professional use doesn't make it a hobby drone. I spend less and build drones that have more capability than a panntom.

You can get very capable cameras and spend lots of money doing it but it doesn't make it a professional camera. Then again you can take shots with your iPhone good enough to sell and make money.

Still regardless of what you use it for and how much you spend... We are all entitled to get exactly what we paid for.

And 30 min flight times are tough to get with electric multi rotors. You need to be efficient with rotor size. Efficient motors. And weight. Those that are getting more than 30 min are using expensive enduro lipos that I'm not that familiar with but are not built for performance if I'm not mistaken.

 

[LuvMyTJ]

40 minutes of flight time?

Yes, but you're going to pay for that time. 2.9kg payload and 35 minutes flight time or 1.4kg payload and 45 minutes of flight time. http://www.aerialtronics.com/altura-zenith/altura-zenith/#

 

[sar104]

It's a hobby product, get over yourself.

I have 3 grand worth of receipts and and bookings on hold that says that this is more than a hobby. I invested in this system as a means to help earn a living, it's another bit of gear in my kit that I use to do my job.

I suppose the carpenter who spends 10 grand on a bunch of woodworking tools that don't work should just get over himself rather than complaining to DeWalt in hopes of a fix, because being able to build a birdhouse with it makes it a hobby?

May all your children be born naked. *HEX*HEX*

The Phantom is in fact a hobby machine. If you are going to make a professional living at it I suggest you move up to a professional machine that will do what you need with ease. These days you can get birds with great payload capacity and 40 minutes of flight time. In other words, don't enter the Indy 500 in an escort, use an Indy car for better results.

This is an important point. While it is clearly a reasonable expectation for such a device, whether marketed for hobby or professional use, to be fit for its intended purpose, the fact that someone wants to use a hobby device professionally and that it may perform the necessary functions does not change its status, however much it cost.

So the woodworking tools example above totally misses the point - the appropriate analogy being if the carpenter bought hobby-grade tools for 1 grand and then complained that they were not up to professional carpentry standards.

 

[LuvMyTJ]

If you look at the DJI web site it shows the Phantom line under the tab "For Everyone" meaning the average hobbyist, and a tab "For Experts" for the more professional or demanding pilots. It is obvious that DJI makes multiple platforms for different purposes. There is no 'one size fits all'.

But I digress. The compass issue fix is not just entering a simple line of code, there is going to be internal trials to get it right. The last thing anyone wants is to have DJI rush out a fix that makes things worse. It is up to the company to determine when its ready. I can only imagine that the company is being bombarded with questions everyday not just from consumers but from government offices too. With the way UAV sales have been climbing and the state of hysteria in the media surrounding 'drones' these days I am sure they are inundated with inquiries of all sorts.

 

[ThatRobbGuy]

*yawn*

 

[d4ddyo]

If you look at the DJI web site it shows the Phantom line under the tab "For Everyone" meaning the average hobbyist, and a tab "For Experts" for the more professional or demanding pilots. It is obvious that DJI makes multiple platforms for different purposes. There is no 'one size fits all'.

exactly... "For Everyone"... including regular consumers who have NO idea. Especially the entry level FC40 and Vision+... why they linked it to Multi-media. Everyone is regular consumers, hobbyists, and professionals.

None the less the market is to anyone and basically consumers... not necessarily hobbyists. Just because they market it to Everyone to include hobbyist doesn't mean its a hobby drone.

their for experts is geared towards the hobbyist.

Trust me... "For Expert" drones are not necessarly for professional. Have you ever seen a professional aerial rig used in making films?

 

[LuvMyTJ]

exactly... "For Everyone"... including regular consumers who have NO idea. Especially the entry level FC40 and Vision+... why they linked it to Multi-media. Everyone is regular consumers, hobbyists, and professionals.

None the less the market is to anyone and basically consumers... not necessarily hobbyists.

Many things are sold to people who have no understanding of how it works. It is not up to the maker to educate them, it is up to the consumer to know what they are buying. Personally I wish these only came in kit form so people have to learn how it works to assemble & fly it.

Besides, once you become an owner you are automatically a 'hobbyist'

 

[John Shaw]

I am going to say it AGAIN and for the last time before I ask the mods to enforce it. This thread is for beta testing discussion only. If you want to debate Chinese culture, what you think you know about engineering, the 25 different ways you hate DJI or other completely useless time-wasting topics, please do so in another thread.

Is it that people can't read or is it that they can't understand why this is important.
This thread was specifically set up to coordinate the beta testing through passing on instructions, gathering of data and ideas needed to aid in finding a technical solution. I suspect DJI would be a lot more likely to read this thread regularly and interact with us if the thread kept to the facts and the goal of advancing the solution.

There are plenty of other threads where you can bash DJI, the beta testers, or each other (although even there I think there is way to much of it).

It is also interesting that even in those closely related threads there has been no discussion of...
what maneuvers result in the shortest time to solve TBE?
which techniques are best to minimize or handle JHook?
best way to compensate for CL error?
procedure for new pilots to familiarize themselves with the problem, understand it, and learn to deal with it.
etc. etc.
Apparently there is little interest in dealing with the situation and making the most of what we have... while we are waiting...
Instead it's obvious what people really enjoy doing.

 

[damoncooper]

Here's hoping this thread will be mute, dead and buried in a few days with 3.0.5 released.

 

[droneranger]

Here's hoping this thread will be mute, dead and buried in a few days with 3.0.5 released.

Hear, hear!!

 

[d4ddyo]

Here's hoping this thread will be mute, dead and buried in a few days with 3.0.5 released.

Hear, hear!!

LOL! This thread is already dead. No new revisions or betas. No one wants to make a stink. You can't comment. everyone is waiting on a release.

 

[d4ddyo]

Is it that people can't read or is it that they can't understand why this is important.
This thread was specifically set up to coordinate the beta testing through passing on instructions, gathering of data and ideas needed to aid in finding a technical solution. I suspect DJI would be a lot more likely to read this thread regularly and interact with us if the thread kept to the facts and the goal of advancing the solution.

We can read, however, the importance is not important anymore. The beta testing is done. No instructions. No more data collection. No more ideas. The technical solution is found. They never read this... or if they did they'd didn't care.

How do you propose we use this thread to keep it about our goal of "advancing the solution."? We are all open to your suggestions.

 

[John Shaw]

Is it that people can't read or is it that they can't understand why this is important.
This thread was specifically set up to coordinate the beta testing through passing on instructions, gathering of data and ideas needed to aid in finding a technical solution. I suspect DJI would be a lot more likely to read this thread regularly and interact with us if the thread kept to the facts and the goal of advancing the solution.

We can read, however, the importance is not important anymore. The beta testing is done. No instructions. No more data collection. No more ideas. The technical solution is found. They never read this... or if they did they'd didn't care.

How do you propose we use this thread to keep it about our goal of "advancing the solution."? We are all open to your suggestions.

My suggestion...
After the official release there will be a brief period where all of us are "release testers". We should report any behaviors that weren't expected (good or bad). This thread could evolve to this, or it could be a new thread. If we all keep focused on understanding what we get, we would all benefit from what each other learn.

 

[d4ddyo]

Is it that people can't read or is it that they can't understand why this is important.
This thread was specifically set up to coordinate the beta testing through passing on instructions, gathering of data and ideas needed to aid in finding a technical solution. I suspect DJI would be a lot more likely to read this thread regularly and interact with us if the thread kept to the facts and the goal of advancing the solution.

We can read, however, the importance is not important anymore. The beta testing is done. No instructions. No more data collection. No more ideas. The technical solution is found. They never read this... or if they did they'd didn't care.

How do you propose we use this thread to keep it about our goal of "advancing the solution."? We are all open to your suggestions.

My suggestion...
After the official release there will be a brief period where all of us are "release testers". We should report any behaviors that weren't expected (good or bad). This thread could evolve to this, or it could be a new thread. If we all keep focused on understanding what we get, we would all benefit from what each other learn.

That's obvious. I am using your words and asking Advancing the solution. nothing is advancing.

 

[LuvMyTJ]

That's obvious. I am using your words and asking Advancing the solution. nothing is advancing.

The type of combative response you have posted is unwanted here and part of the problem. If you do not have productive content to add, to this thread, or any other for that matter, your better off not adding anything at all.

 

[d4ddyo]

That's obvious. I am using your words and asking Advancing the solution. nothing is advancing.

The type of combative response you have posted is unwanted here and part of the problem. If you do not have productive content to add, to this thread, or any other for that matter, your better off not adding anything at all.

Nothing combative. Legitimate question. What suggestion does he have for advancing the solution?

 

[damoncooper]

Update: burned another 5 batteries on 3.0.5 beta 2. It's SO solid it's like a completely different aircraft.

It's obedient, stable, and trustworthy. I had a Porsche 911 C4 and it reminds me of the confidence it instilled. Right up until you attempted to violate the laws of physics

It's awesome. It's how you would imagine a GPS-driven quad should behave. I found myself flying further, higher, and doing much more agile maneuvers than I have ever done to get the "wow" video shots.

DJI needs to release this to everyone ASAP. It's really a game changer IMO. The sparrow is sobering up!

 

[ThatRobbGuy]

I agree. It's like a brand new machine. I have zero complaints, so I'll stop bitching now.

 

[damoncooper]

Recalling the last 5 flights on beta 2, there was still one worry I had about unexpected behavior: the altitude drop issue on fast full stop. It wasn't pronounced but I did still worry enough to keep it at least 8-9m above the water on a long run out over the bay.

Just something to keep an eye on once 3.0.5 hits the streets.