Aggitated Neighbor
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As a commercial operator we have a policy of working very hard to keep the surrounding inhabitants happy. That being said.... if you have registered your drone with the FAA it is classified as an aircraft operating in Federal airspace. You have every right to be flying (for now). Now that might not be a good policy as a recreational user... if you don't need to be there and its upsetting people then might you rethink the issue and pick your battles.
Keep in mind that if things escalate to a point of violence and if you are registered (like you should be) under 18 U.S.C. 32 your UAS is protected, as are you during operation. Any attempt to shoot down, or sabotage an aircraft or its crew during flight is a Federal offense and carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison. No one has been prosecuted as of yet for shooting down a drone but it is a nice option to have. Might not want to be the first test case though
Sources: It Is A Federal Crime To Shoot Down A Drone, Says FAA
FAA Confirms Shooting A Drone Is A Federal Crime. So When Will U.S. Prosecute?
Keep in mind that if things escalate to a point of violence and if you are registered (like you should be) under 18 U.S.C. 32 your UAS is protected, as are you during operation. Any attempt to shoot down, or sabotage an aircraft or its crew during flight is a Federal offense and carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison. No one has been prosecuted as of yet for shooting down a drone but it is a nice option to have. Might not want to be the first test case though
Sources: It Is A Federal Crime To Shoot Down A Drone, Says FAA
FAA Confirms Shooting A Drone Is A Federal Crime. So When Will U.S. Prosecute?
500m 1640 feet max consumer drone altitude
120m 400 feet max FAA drone altitude
46m 150 feet min tree/neigbour-safe altitude?
... my min neighbourhood-safe altitude is (40-)-50 m so I don't hit the trees ...
> 25m 83 feet people's property ends at this altitude
Where does this figure come from?
Yup! Thanks Swiper!
I did not even know one could blur out their home on Google Earth. Can I add a custom picture over my house? Like a Unicorn or a big Happy Face?
Everybodys gonna shoot this and shoot that. When in actuality these people are scared at heart or they would not make these over the top threats.
If they say they will shoot my Phantom 3 down I tell them
If they say they will shoot my Phantom 3 down I tell them
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man that gif is awesome, i'm with you in spirit, that what's instinctual but in practice its best to de-escalate the situation. nothing wrong with saying i'm going to be here flying and if you feel the need to shoot this and that i wouldnt recommend it because the police and faa wont be far away to escort them to jail and or prison
man that gif is awesome, i'm with you in spirit, that what's instinctual but in practice its best to de-escalate the situation. nothing wrong with saying i'm going to be here flying and if you feel the need to shoot this and that i wouldnt recommend it because the police and faa wont be far away to escort them to jail and or prison
As you rotate the drone and camera down towards their direction (not dropping altitude) to film the possible shot. Camera footage HAS been recovered from a drone that was shot down by a .22 on this forum. If I know you are there with a gun and am maneuvering you better be a great shot with that long gun to even come close. Im gonna zig when you thought I was gonna zag.
Alok: your posts are a lot friendlier sounding that your portrait appears. Why don't you update it to one with a smile? (written with sincerity)
Here are the upcoming laws in Aus.
If you read through it says they're going to be adopted internationally.
Drone Laws in Australia - We explain CASA CASR 101 laws for RPAS in Australia
First off, shooting a drone is a felony in all 50 states.
FAA Confirms Shooting A Drone Is A Federal Crime. So When Will U.S. Prosecute?
The other article article referenced here (Drones and the Law: The Sky's Not the Limit) is loaded with flaws. It states drones are registered, technically they are not, people are registered. I can sell, trade, or otherwise get and give my machines without a single report having to be sent, not a serial number recorded, etc. Drones must carry a number, but a person is the actual registered item.
The article also says "Keep out of FAA-controlled airspace. This includes a 5-mile radius around airports." That also is not entirely accurate.
One CAN fly within that five mile radius as long as they notify the airport and are granted authorization to do so.
Now, for the neighbor having issues with a quadcopter in their area.
I can see both sides. The neighbor, believing the hype spilling out of the media has issues. The operator just wants to enjoy their machine.
The compromise is: Get those having issues, take them outside. Show them the truth of these devices. They cannot zoom in, you can hear them very easily, etc.
Educate them. Show them where you fly and WHY you fly that way. "I fly along here so that I do not disturb people."
Explain you are not, in any way, interested in their goings on. You are just going from A to B. You are not recording, or show what you recorded, so they can see.
Launch, have them stand beside, you. Take images at the height you fly. Show them the pics and ask if they can make out who the people are.
Education, one at a time, is the answer to the media fallout of privacy issues. Show each that they are safe from airborne prying eyes in the form of a Phantom.
FAA Confirms Shooting A Drone Is A Federal Crime. So When Will U.S. Prosecute?
The other article article referenced here (Drones and the Law: The Sky's Not the Limit) is loaded with flaws. It states drones are registered, technically they are not, people are registered. I can sell, trade, or otherwise get and give my machines without a single report having to be sent, not a serial number recorded, etc. Drones must carry a number, but a person is the actual registered item.
The article also says "Keep out of FAA-controlled airspace. This includes a 5-mile radius around airports." That also is not entirely accurate.
One CAN fly within that five mile radius as long as they notify the airport and are granted authorization to do so.
Now, for the neighbor having issues with a quadcopter in their area.
I can see both sides. The neighbor, believing the hype spilling out of the media has issues. The operator just wants to enjoy their machine.
The compromise is: Get those having issues, take them outside. Show them the truth of these devices. They cannot zoom in, you can hear them very easily, etc.
Educate them. Show them where you fly and WHY you fly that way. "I fly along here so that I do not disturb people."
Explain you are not, in any way, interested in their goings on. You are just going from A to B. You are not recording, or show what you recorded, so they can see.
Launch, have them stand beside, you. Take images at the height you fly. Show them the pics and ask if they can make out who the people are.
Education, one at a time, is the answer to the media fallout of privacy issues. Show each that they are safe from airborne prying eyes in the form of a Phantom.
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You are welcome. I flew at a classic car show last summer. I had lots of people with questions and left there that day with a whole crowd no longer so fearful of these machines because they KNOW the capability of them and that they are not being spied on.
This may have been beaten to death in another thread, but In California, if you fly over private property, regardless of altitude, and capture an image of a person who had a reasonable expectation of privacy, you probably violated the law.
I suspect it is a matter of time until other states follow suit.
Bill Text - AB-856 Invasion of privacy.
I suspect it is a matter of time until other states follow suit.
Bill Text - AB-856 Invasion of privacy.
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That's very interesting. Typical of California. But, they did not define airspace. The FAA controls airspace. In the states, the FAA still controls the airspace. I may be talking out my back end, but usually in law, they have to define the entities such as airspace as they did privacy, personal, and familial. So, is it 83ft, 100ft, 400ft. So, as with most laws, you will never know until it is tested. But, not me. I'm not interested in what other people are doing anyway. You can do anything and everything, in California, but, you can't do anything. It's like the Eagles say, You can check into Hotel California, but you can never leave. Thanks for sharing that article of law.
My suggestion is to NOT LAND immediately. Here's why. You have a flying camera that will be able to record your interaction with the potentially combative party . Its great evidence should there be a need to present it in a court of law. If I detect a hint of a party closing distance quickly on me I immediately hover and point camera down towards the location of the encounter.
Then I point at the drone and say I want you to be aware I am filming this interaction.
Yes they will probably be pissed off, but I am not out flying to make friends. I have enough time trusted friends already.
I am also not there to give them an education of drone laws and flight. I am not going to "justify" my flight actions to any person without council present. Anything you say can always be twisted, spun, and misconstrued.
I'm there to enjoy the F*#@ out of myself. Period.
Then I point at the drone and say I want you to be aware I am filming this interaction.
Yes they will probably be pissed off, but I am not out flying to make friends. I have enough time trusted friends already.
I am also not there to give them an education of drone laws and flight. I am not going to "justify" my flight actions to any person without council present. Anything you say can always be twisted, spun, and misconstrued.
I'm there to enjoy the F*#@ out of myself. Period.
I'd like to see that challenged in court because by definition now that drones EXIST at all means I have no reasonable expectation of privacy from above. It is possible someone has a drone so how is that expectation reasonable without some type of roof.
Again with the 83 foot thing. Back in the day 83 feet was accepted... before drones existed. Now they do so I can reasonably enjoy more of my property... jeez.
Laws came about for a purpose and the reasoning behind them will be challenged when conditions become ideal.
That will change with time. And that's a FACT.
Minnesota had been talking about passing a law that if you take a photo of someone (no mention of altitude) without their permission, it would be a felony.
I have great issue with this.
With security cameras, ATM cameras, traffic cameras, dash cams, someone's cell phone, etc, how come putting the camera on a flying machine would be a felony when all those other cameras taking photos of someone without their permission is not?
Has not progressed, thankfully, but I am sure it is not done, yet.
I wrote and asked they clarify, at least give a distance or height the subject must be within.
A photo of someone at 400 feet a felony? That is just plain stupid.
I have great issue with this.
With security cameras, ATM cameras, traffic cameras, dash cams, someone's cell phone, etc, how come putting the camera on a flying machine would be a felony when all those other cameras taking photos of someone without their permission is not?
Has not progressed, thankfully, but I am sure it is not done, yet.
I wrote and asked they clarify, at least give a distance or height the subject must be within.
A photo of someone at 400 feet a felony? That is just plain stupid.
Personally I've not had any run-ins like this. What I would do is stop over to the concerned folks and show them what you do and the "COOL" pics you can get...IF they don't come around as to you flying around the neighborhood, then tough... I'm sure there are things THEY do that you may not particularly care for, so why should you give up your rights when it wouldn't work both ways...WITH that said, I'm taking in account that you are not just being a pain in the butt and flying responsibly . I've had nothing but positive feedback, and interest in what it can do...
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